tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167250939484647451.post2432216886585920982..comments2024-03-18T00:15:32.042-07:00Comments on Cole-Slaw: Church Transfusion is Possible and NeededNeil Colehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08289317696474966831noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167250939484647451.post-60524506804569145602012-08-17T10:00:19.256-07:002012-08-17T10:00:19.256-07:00The problem with models is not just what happens w...The problem with models is not just what happens when you export them to other lands (as bad as that is) but it also ties people to a form that will eventually become less effective and outdated but which people are reticent to abandon and we end up enslaved to a model. This happens all the time. I agree with what you are saying, but I also see the dangers. Strive to find simple, reproducible and transferable ways of releasing the Gospel (DNA) in any context...while a challenge, it is certainly worth it. Tahnks for chiming in!<br />Neil Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08289317696474966831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167250939484647451.post-54381299124732486862012-08-17T09:56:31.306-07:002012-08-17T09:56:31.306-07:00Derek, I have found it helpful to use simple and t...Derek, I have found it helpful to use simple and transferable practices that reinforce core DNA rather than a specific organizing model. In the search for ways to release the Gospel and disciple multiplying in other cultures one simply must strive to discover what is universal and eliminate all else. In doing this we land on very simply ways that can work all over the world. I write extensively about this in a chapter of Church 3.0. The problem you run into is that models do help less innovative people in a specific cultural context, but the reality is it also creates as many barriers as it does help when you want to reproduce into other people groups. The samples you use are actually examples I use in Church 3.0 to illustrate universal reproducible and transferable ways of communicating truth around the world. The Lord's prayer, Baptism, communion are all apostolic ways of spreading important truths to all cultural contexts and I believe this is why our enemy has worked so hard to steal them. I think you will like Church 3.0Neil Colehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08289317696474966831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167250939484647451.post-4568142628461213132012-08-15T04:18:11.082-07:002012-08-15T04:18:11.082-07:00Neil, good post. One of the things I've been r...Neil, good post. One of the things I've been rolling over in my mind within the missional conversation is the subject of mindset versus model, something you mentioned early on in this post. Here's the struggle: <br /><br />In human behavior we need model(s) to help reinforce our mindset. Without some measurable means to carry out our internal callings, we are left alone. And those models must be simple and effective, and in place to help us measure results. Plus, they help us in determining the path we should take with the "positive" commands, such as "love your neighbor." Without systems, tradition, liturgy, and so forth, its hard to take steps. <br /><br />Think: "Lord, teach us to pray." The response of Jesus was not, "You just need to want to pray!" He gave them, and us, a rubric (with lose ends) to use in helping his people get there. <br /><br />So my question is this: What do you see the balance being between mindset & model? I know its there, but its been hard to determine. <br /><br />Derek.Derek Sweatmanhttp://www.dereksweatman.tumblr.comnoreply@blogger.com