tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167250939484647451.post7637952777444819815..comments2024-03-18T00:15:32.042-07:00Comments on Cole-Slaw: Who Should The Church Pay: The role of the apostleNeil Colehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08289317696474966831noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167250939484647451.post-31563034155923248592009-03-13T20:14:00.000-07:002009-03-13T20:14:00.000-07:00Excellent post, Neil. Way to take a stab at one o...Excellent post, Neil. Way to take a stab at one of the sacred cows in our religious "Matrix."<BR/><BR/>I agree that it may be a "right," but is not the best option. The church has taken the concept of full-time support and made it an entitlement rather than an option that can be exercised at the discretion of Father's leading.<BR/><BR/>It seems like Paul's default was to work with his own hands, not to simply rely on the support of others.<BR/><BR/>My father-in-law is an apostle. I've seen him father people for many years, releasing them to function in the Body. He is someone who, I believe, views this principle as an option, but not an entitlement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167250939484647451.post-85491733312160702822009-03-12T02:26:00.000-07:002009-03-12T02:26:00.000-07:00Fantastic Neil. A balanced view that agrees with ...Fantastic Neil. A balanced view that agrees with my own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167250939484647451.post-44409914918511772852009-03-11T05:26:00.000-07:002009-03-11T05:26:00.000-07:00I think if you your church needs to have paid "min...I think if you your church needs to have paid "ministers" then it needs to adopt a less complex structure. Start slow by training up disciples and then turn them loose. I believe that every follower of Christ can/should be a leader (leading others to Christ as they live out their faith in love).Peter Kyproshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11893256752291999573noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167250939484647451.post-16240146009852835312009-03-10T20:51:00.000-07:002009-03-10T20:51:00.000-07:00Sheesh...we are really struggling with these quest...Sheesh...we are really struggling with these questions in our community. I would rather take another job than have the community tank because it can support my wage.<BR/><BR/>I wonder what you think, however, about the church paying people for part-time work. David Fitch, for instance, suggests that three people share a part-time role in helping to facilitate the life of a church / network of churches.<BR/><BR/>Another related but tangential question: how and under what circumstances are offerings collected in organic churches? What are the logistics exactly?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167250939484647451.post-8756119747196600962009-03-10T11:42:00.000-07:002009-03-10T11:42:00.000-07:00It may be a "right" but it certainly seems that it...It may be a "right" but it certainly seems that it is not the best. In Acts 20:33-35, Paul says: "I have coveted no one's silver, gold or clothes. You yourselves know that by these hands, I ministered to my OWN needs AND to the men who were with me. In everything I showed you that by working hard in this manner you must help the weak and remember the words of the Lord, Jesus, that He Himself said; 'It is more blessed to give than to receive.;"<BR/><BR/>How do we "help the weak"? Those growing up in faith around us?<BR/> We give them models of serving and laying down our lives for the well being of others. We teach by example a leadership that is not positional, with "rights" and entitlements, but rather a leadership that seeks the betterment of those around us. What better way to do this than to remove the issue of monetary support! <BR/><BR/>Let's choose to lay down entitlements and set a new (old) model of leadership. <BR/><BR/>I hope this topic, your book, and continued discussion in the Body of Christ will begin to reform what we know as leadership today. Especially in this area of the financial.Katiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13972050713200044461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6167250939484647451.post-70144070366314746362009-03-09T20:30:00.000-07:002009-03-09T20:30:00.000-07:00Very insightful Neil. Thanks for the reminder. T...Very insightful Neil. Thanks for the reminder. This is an issue worth discussing.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com